The role of Government in supporting aviation and travel in Australia

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Rachel Crowley:Good morning, everybody. It's my great pleasure to introduce to you today our 2 panellists. First up, the Deputy Premier of the great state of Queensland, the Honourable Steven Miles. The Deputy Premier has been a member of the Queensland Parliament since 2015. He's also the Minister for State Development, Infrastructure, Local Government and Planning, and Minister Assisting the Premier on Olympic and Paralympic Games infrastructure. Welcome, Deputy Premier.

Steven Miles MP:Thanks for having me, Rachel. I'm, I'm not sure why they couldn't fit my head in the circle.

Rachel Crowley:And look, we're also really thrilled to have the Lord Mayor of this spectacular city of Brisbane, the Right Honourable Adrian Schrinner. Adrian was first elected to the Brisbane City Council in 2005, and he's served extensively across Civic Cabinet over the ensuing years. As Chair of the Southeast Queensland Council of Mayors, he played a really key role alongside the state and the federal governments in helping secure the 2032 Games for this region. Thank you both so much for joining us here today. And I thought it only appropriate to kick off that we, first up, we establish your avgeek credentials. So, Lord Mayor and Deputy Premier, I want each of you to please describe to the audience your most aviation nerd moment. Deputy Premier.

Steven Miles MP:Well, I am an aviation nerd. I made it to the Avalon Air Show for the first time Just recently, but my favourite plane moment recently was— some of you might know the Queensland Government Air Wing is just next to the Northrop Grumman hangar at Brisbane Airport, and whenever I walk out of there towards my tiny little twin-prop King Air, I look up at that massive RAAF plane that Northrop Grumman will be working on. It makes my plane look very small. But recently they They gave me the honour of opening their MRO upgrade there at the hangar and walking around the plane and walking through it. And that was super cool. It was also great to see how many, you know, high-skilled, secure jobs there are at that facility. And that's just one of many we've got here in the state. So that's my nerd moment.

Rachel Crowley:Fantastic. Lord Mayor.

Adrian Schrinner:Well, where do I start?

Rachel Crowley:I knew this was a safe question to lob at both of you.

Adrian Schrinner:So as you're aware, Rachel, I learnt to fly when I was a teenager. So I went solo at just the age of 16. But my career took a different turn. But I do still have aviation in the blood. And so probably the most recent— I'll start with the most recent avgeek moment. We had the big Riverfire display on just recently. And as part of that, there's Air Force flyovers.

Rachel Crowley:Yes.

Adrian Schrinner:And the team that maintains the Story Bridge thought that 12 o'clock on the Friday when the practice flyover would be a good time to go to the top of the Story Bridge with me and inspect the bridge.

Rachel Crowley:Wow.

Adrian Schrinner:So we were right up the top of the bridge when that flyover happened. That was pretty special. Probably next on the list would be when the USS America came to Brisbane recently. And I left Brisbane Airport in a US Marines Osprey and flew out to the carrier and landed on the carrier. So that, that's up there at the top of the list as well.

Steven Miles MP:I'm constantly struck by how much more fun your job is than mine.

Rachel Crowley:I think there's a lot of people in this room who would have killed to do that. Thank you both. As I said, I knew that was a really safe question for each of you. We're 9 years out from the 2032 Brisbane Olympic and Paralympic Games, and I heard this morning even that today is actually the anniversary of the 2000 Opening Ceremony.

Adrian Schrinner:Yes.

Rachel Crowley:And I wanted to ask you, Lord Mayor, if you could project forward to the day after the Opening Ceremony in '32, and what do you hope the world will have discovered about this wonderful city and this region that will compel them to put Brisbane at the top of their wish list from a travel or investment or business perspective?

Adrian Schrinner:Well, I think the critical part in your question is the word discovered, and that's essentially what the Brisbane region needs. It needs to be discovered by the world. And, you know, we acknowledge Sydney, Melbourne have already been discovered by the world and are well known. And Brisbane has an opportunity there. And so if you went onto the main street of any major city in the world and asked people whether they know Brisbane or not, you know, we'd be surprised by how low that recognition is. This will all change over the next 9 years. And so that is the opportunity for us to be discovered. The opportunity for international visitation is huge. If you look at London and Paris, they're getting something like 19 or 20 million international visitations each year. Brisbane has 1 million. So that's international visitors, not domestic. And so the opportunity for us to double, triple, quadruple our visitation is there. And I think there's something— there's a unique selling prospect about the Brisbane region as well. I've been trying to describe what it is and how you explain it to the rest of the world. And I think probably what it is, is that Brisbane is the most Australian place on earth. Every element of Australia that we love is here. You can go just a few kilometres from the CBD and see koalas in the bush in the suburbs. We have amazing beaches on our doorsteps, amazing countryside. Plus all of the things that you'd want to do in a large city. So most importantly, the friendly people. So we are the most Australian place on earth, and getting that international brand about Australia, which is well known— Australia is well known— well, you can get everything you want to see and do in Australia here as your gateway to the rest of the world.

Rachel Crowley:Deputy Premier, can I ask you also to look into that crystal ball and Describe what you think the world's going to learn about Queensland as a whole over the coming years.

Steven Miles MP:Well, first of all, I think the state, and particularly the southeast, is going to change a lot over that time. This is a real golden decade of opportunity. That brand recognition that the Lord Mayor spoke of, I mean, just to join a list that is London, Tokyo, Paris, LA, Brisbane, that's massive. We're already changing our city and the region if you think about Queens Wharf Brisbane and Cross River Rail and all of those investments, of course, will deliver the Olympics infrastructure, the extra transport that we're bringing forward. So that's going to change the region that we love, but it'll change it for the better. I think what will really strike viewers, though, when they see it is just how beautiful the place is. You know, we've got events that start outside probably my favourite place in the state, the Alexandra Headlands Surf Club. Just picture that vista. They'll go from there to the Glasshouse Mountains. Of course, we saw with the Comm Games how well we can showcase what the Gold Coast has to offer. We have 3 of the best sand islands in the world just off our coast, and that's before you mention the Great Barrier Reef, the wet tropics, the Daintree, the Outback, Gondwana. You know, we are blessed with natural assets not seen anywhere else in the world, and I think when, when the world sees that beamed into their homes alongside some great sport, I think that's when they're going to want to come to Brisbane.

Rachel Crowley:I agree. I'm going to follow up, Deputy Premier, and things are certainly looking up in terms of our recovery from the loss of our inter— international aviation network During COVID And yesterday's announcement regarding China Eastern Airlines returning to Brisbane Airport, I think that's been a real fillip for the state. And it's due in no small part to the incredible partnership between the State Government and Brisbane Airport, and supported, I have to add, absolutely by the city, to put up a fighting fund that was the biggest in the country. But the battle for capacity market share It's never over. And I was wondering what the State Government's view is on what that Fighting Fund 2.0 might look like.

Steven Miles MP:Well, first of all, we think the fund has been extraordinarily successful. And while we still want— obviously want to get to 100% of pre-COVID levels and beyond, the fact that we've got to where we are now is actually a pretty, pretty significant achievement. It's great to see, great to see the airport busy, great to see our tourism venues busy, great to see people out and about around town. I think we still have a little bit to go with the existing funds, and I was just talking to Gert-Jan about what phase 2 might look like. He suggested that the current arrangement where the state funds 50% and the airports fund 50% might be unfair and that the airports can chip in a bit more. So I'll start from that basis and take that back to the Treasurer, maybe 75-25 next time.

Rachel Crowley:Lord Mayor, it really has been fantastic to have the city, through the Brisbane Economic Development Agency, come on board with this program, and particularly in providing those really important funds to help with the inbound marketing to support the success of these services and to get visitors into Brisbane. I want to know, what's your thinking about the city's priorities What are your hopes for key growth markets for inbound visitation in the lead-up to '32, and how does Council and BEDA plan to maximise on our profile in those markets?

Adrian Schrinner:Well, obviously the pandemic was a big hit to airports all around the world, and Brisbane Airport was obviously impacted significantly. I think going from around 35 different airlines prior to the pandemic down to— what are we at now? 15?

Rachel Crowley:Yeah, probably about that. I'm looking at the audience. A little bit more.

Adrian Schrinner:So, you know, getting back to pre-pandemic levels and the breadth of airlines is really important. Obviously, direct flights are absolutely critical as well. You know, I saw one of the sponsors up there was Skyscanner. And, you know, When you're looking to get to a place, obviously that's one of the first things that people do prioritise, a direct flight. We have an opportunity there. We have plenty of capacity to offer direct flights with the second runway and 24/7 operations. So those direct flights are critical. Using the fact that we are the closest large Australian city to Asia as well and linked in well with the Pacific, There's huge opportunity there, a massive market. North America as well is absolutely critical for us. But why would we limit ourselves to any particular region? You know, we, we have the opportunity to grow in every market. And so I think, yes, there's certain that we'll target, but, you know, we should keep ourselves open to all opportunities globally. There will be people coming from every corner of the world to this region over the coming decade and beyond. Absolutely.

Rachel Crowley:Deputy Premier, a lot of the time when we talk about aviation, our thoughts immediately turn to passengers, but I think everyone in this room knows that the truth is that what's in the belly of the aircraft is just as precious. What's the state's thinking in relation to air cargo, and what are your priorities for international trade relationships? And specifically, which industries do you think present the greatest opportunities for export growth for Queensland?

Steven Miles MP:Queensland's exports are booming. We recently cracked $100 billion. Obviously, most of that, much of that is by sea, and we're never going to export coal in the belly of a plane, but our fresh produce, our high-value goods, pharmaceuticals, that kind of thing, Uh, is a really important contributor. Much of that goes by air. It's one of the reasons why it's been so important to get those passenger flights back so that we, we do have that, um, that freight capacity. It's also why we invested in the, um, Wellcamp, uh, cold room and, um, distribution centre, you know, literally connecting our food bowl direct— directly with Asia. Um, so, you know, our world-renowned Seafood, beef, fresh produce, as well as that really emerging high-value pharmaceuticals industry.

Rachel Crowley:Lord Mayor, does the city see things similarly? Are there any markets and industries that you're particularly interested in from an export perspective?

Adrian Schrinner:Yeah, I would echo exactly what the Deputy Premier said. It's those high-value items which need to get places quickly. You know, there's obviously, there's a lot coming into the country in the belly of a plane. We need to make sure that we're filling up the aircraft on the way out as well, and there's huge opportunity. So whether it's fresh produce, seafood, whether it is pharmaceutical goods as well, there's a whole range of opportunities. And to see what the airport has been doing, growing amazing precincts around the airport, Australia Trade Coast, Right on the doorstep of the airport, so you can have seafood in Tokyo really quickly and efficiently, you know, off the ship, into the belly of a plane, and then within a matter of hours in, you know, the markets in Tokyo. So that's a huge opportunity for us to use our natural advantage with, whether it's fresh produce, you know, biotech, and a whole range of other high-value items.

Rachel Crowley:Fantastic. For the purposes of everyone in the room, you may not be aware that my 2 panellists are from the opposite side of the political aisle, but I think I can safely say that we're— you're on a unity ticket in relation to continued 24/7 operations at Brisbane Airport. What, in your view, would be the implications of a cap or curfew on Brisbane Airport? I'll start with the Deputy Premier first and then the LORD MAYOR.

Steven Miles MP:Oh, don't start me. Our airport is just so critical to our region's economic prosperity, and I can't think of anything more hypocritical than the Greens political party's campaign against the airport. The blokes running this campaign are just about the most frequent travellers from Brisbane Airport to their engagements on Q&A and down to Canberra for the Parliament. And, you know, I'm really struck by— I'm an environmentalist, former environment minister, former conservation activist, but the Greens are not a party of the environment. They're a party of wealthy inner-city elites. And what they're saying is that planes shouldn't fly over the homes of wealthy inner-city elites. They shouldn't fly over Brisbane. they should only fly over the homes of working people, and that only wealthy inner-city elites should be able to afford to fly, but working people shouldn't be able to afford to fly. And that's despite the fact that it's those wealthy inner-city elites who benefit disproportionately from the economic opportunity and prosperity that the airport delivers. So they asked me to tone down my language on the Greens, but I don't think I've achieved it.

Rachel Crowley:Lord Mayor. Come on.

Adrian Schrinner:I don't think I can top that. There was some research published recently on what people are prepared to do to reduce their environmental impact and how much extra they're prepared to pay or what they're prepared to cut back on. And one of the fascinating things that came out of it is that— and I guess it goes into what Steven was saying was that the thing that people were least willing to do was to cut back on their international air travel to save the environment. So, you know, it's— yeah, it's a real issue here. But ultimately, having a 24/7 airport is a big part of our competitive advantage. It operates more efficiently that way. And to change that, there's a number of side effects and consequences that really would, as we've already heard, would drive up costs. It would also concentrate noise into other areas, into other periods as well. And so offering simplistic solutions to this is not going to cut it, and that's what's being put forward. You know, something that sounds good, but when you actually look at what it achieves, it doesn't achieve the type of things that are being proposed here. As for the Brisbane City Council, like, we get far more complaints about barking dogs, people's noisy parties next door, air conditioner units that are too noisy. These are the sort of things that are our bread and butter. And I guess it's a reminder that living in a large city is about managing impacts and noise. There are other ways to achieve that other than what's been proposed. There are other things that will make a difference and improve the situation other than what's been proposed. So I think, yeah, let's steer away from a simplistic solution. Let's work on things that will have an impact without the negative consequences that flow on from that.

Rachel Crowley:Absolutely. And it is all about finding balance. We often say at the airport that we recognise that An airport delivers enormous benefit very broadly, but it does deliver a burden on the people who live closest. And it's up to all of us to try and find ways to minimise that as much as possible, but to find that balance. And to that point of balance, I think I want to turn the conversation a little bit to what the Deputy Premier was referencing in terms of the environment. And so stretching a little bit beyond the Queensland borders, I think we all recognise that aviation is an essential service in Australia. We're, you know, a vast continent with isolated communities, and we're a long-haul flight from most of— most parts of the world. So leading in the quest for sustainable aviation fuels is obviously an imperative for Australia. And can you give me your sense Deputy Premier, of what role governments like your own can and should play in building a local industry around SAF?

Steven Miles MP:Look, this is something I'm really passionate about. The only way any of us are going to achieve our net zero goals while still being able to travel and have all of that economic activity will be with sustainable aviation fuel. But I think it's actually a massive opportunity for Queensland. We're really well placed to lead the nation's SAF development. I met recently at the airport with, with Catherine King's Jet Zero Council. Virgin and Qantas and Airbus and Boeing are all talking to us about projects in Queensland. We have Oceania Biofuels' $500 million processing SAF production facility is under construction. We're really uniquely placed with the location of waste management facilities, fuel facilities adjacent to Brisbane Airport, and we think mainstream waste will probably be one of the earliest feedstocks. But we also have a massive sugar industry and all of those byproducts. We currently produce ethanol, and then eventually electricity to liquid fuels like hydrogen, and again, Queensland's—

Rachel Crowley:Hydrogen.

Steven Miles MP:Leading the way there, we have the space and the skills and the infrastructure and the sun and the wind that's going to make that possible. So look, it's going to be expensive, but Queensland is going to be the cheapest first mover place to do it, we think. In terms of the government's role, it's industry development. order, what my department does supporting first movers, common user infrastructure, that kind of thing. We know there'll ultimately probably need to be a price signal of some kind, but we're not going to be able to do that in the state. That's a question for the Commonwealth, one we'd support them in though.

Rachel Crowley:Finally, I'm just going to throw— and we are— our on-time performance is remarkable here, so feel free to wax lyrical when I ask you the next question, each of you. This is a room full of people from the aviation and tourism industries, and I wanted to ask each of you, what's your main message to them and to the businesses they represent about what Brisbane and what Queensland offers in those industries from a business perspective? And, and, and, you know, we'll be hosting this event next year again in Brisbane, which is wonderful. So I'll hand over to each of you, and I'll start with the Lord Mayor first from a Brisbane perspective.

Adrian Schrinner:Well, Brisbane and the region is a growth market, and so we are the fastest growing capital city at the heart of the fastest growing region in Australia. People want to come and live here, and Such a critical gateway is our airport and the aviation industry. And as the population here grows, and as business grows, the economy grows, that gateway and that opportunity becomes even more important. And in a growing city with the Olympic opportunity 9 years away, there are so many opportunities here. And so you look at a lot of other cities around the world and regions, and Some of them, you could say their best years are behind them, or they're struggling to get back to their best years. There is no doubt our best years are ahead of us. And so there's a great opportunity of growth, both in terms of population, economically, a whole range of opportunities there. And thankfully, because of the investment that was made by the Brisbane Airport Corporation in increasing the capacity and the second runway. We are now set up for the future. And, you know, I stood there on the opening day at the runway, stood on the new runway, helped cut the ribbon when it was open. And I was thinking at that point in time, if this project had been delayed by just 1 year or 2 years, it would never have happened because the pandemic would have, you know, effectively stopped that project going ahead. We have it here now. There's just massive capacity that's available for growth. It's a wonderful asset for the city. And the same with our port as well. So the Port of Brisbane is, I think, probably the only unconstrained seaport in Australia where it just keeps growing and growing. And the airport's got all that capacity to grow. A lot of other cities are capacity constrained. We are not. So there's a wonderful opportunity.

Rachel Crowley:Very true. Deputy Premier.

Adrian Schrinner:Look, I agree.

Steven Miles MP:Same Brisbane's success will be Queensland's success, and now is Queensland's time to shine. You know, it's often said that the 19th century belonged to Victoria with the gold rush and the building of Melbourne and culminated with their hosting of the Olympic Games, and then no doubt the 1900s belonged to Sydney and New South Wales, and Sydney coming to dominate. And that culminated with the 2000 Olympics. And I think it's clear that this century belongs to Queensland and to Brisbane and to the southeast, starting with the Olympics in just 9 years' time. So everywhere I go in the state, the place is booming. People are optimistic. If you're thinking about a project, now's the time to Get in and do it, because if you don't, someone else will.

Rachel Crowley:Fantastic. Thank you both very much. We are ahead of time, I think.

Steven Miles MP:We'll take questions from the floor.

Rachel Crowley:So we're good. Are you happy to take questions?

Steven Miles MP:Yeah, sure.

Adrian Schrinner:Fantastic.

Rachel Crowley:Questions from the floor, from anybody?

Adrian Schrinner:Except Gert-Jan's not able to ask any.

Steven Miles MP:Yeah.

Rachel Crowley:I won't point at him.

Steven Miles MP:Don't worry.

Rachel Crowley:Anybody?

Steven Miles MP:Surely.

Rachel Crowley:Elsa, you will. I just want to say thank you. Very positive, very engaging discussion. If you were to leave one thing with the audience, you know, what would your wish be that we would achieve by the opening of the 2032 Olympics?

Steven Miles MP:As a city and as a state, what would be your legacy?

Adrian Schrinner:Well, there's a— it's not one simple thing. I mean, the most important thing is what I said earlier, which is For Brisbane and the Brisbane region and for Queensland to be known globally. So that is the biggest growth opportunity that we have, because every other opportunity flows from being known and having that recognition around the world. People will not visit a city they don't know the name of. They won't invest in a city they don't know the name of. So that in itself is the opportunity. But then all of the things that can be done to leverage it, where Working to finalise a legacy plan for the Olympics, so 10 or 9 years in advance of the Olympics and then 10 years beyond. So some really exciting work being done there. But yeah, probably number one is that just a recognition of the city around the world, that, that is the game changer.

Steven Miles MP:Look, I really hope it's a platform for us to advance our efforts at reconciliation with First Nations Queenslanders and Australians, and to get that to a point where we're actually celebrating their culture to the world, we're a long way from being there yet. But part of our commitment to the IOC is that that will be a core component of our offering for the Games. The state's announced we'll build cultural heritage centres in Brisbane and in Cairns, if we get those right, they are attractions that people will come from around the world to see and to experience and to learn from the world's oldest continuing cultures, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. So I really hope that we're able to do that, and I know the Lord Mayor speaks passionately about that too.

Rachel Crowley:Absolutely. Anyone else? Here we are. Robyn, I think there's a mic coming for you.

Steven Miles MP:Thank you.

Rachel Crowley:Robyn Ironside from The Australian. Thanks for that panel. It was fascinating. For the Deputy Premier, has the Queensland Government asked the Federal Government to reconsider the Qatar Airways Not in a formal sense.

Steven Miles MP:What we've said is that that clearly is their decision to make and they have that, they have that right. We've indicated that Queensland's perspective will always be that more flights is better, more flights creates more economic activity, creates more jobs, and so we would We would support more flights. The rationale for making that decision, they really need to explain because a tourism state like Queensland, we want to see more flights. We support existing Qatar Airways flights with our aviation investment fund, so we're already investing in— That's a good point. in those efforts. And look, I share, I understand the human rights concerns that have been raised, and they're, you know, that was an awful experience for those women. Clearly, clearly shouldn't have happened. But Queensland's perspective, more flights is better.

Adrian Schrinner:Anyone else? There's a question on the screen there, actually.

Rachel Crowley:Oh, okay, here we are. It's from Ryan Both from Brisbane Airport Corporation. Sydney has the Opera House. What's going to be our Instagram moment for the Olympics? What's going to become iconic globally? Lord Mayor.

Adrian Schrinner:This is a question we get asked a lot, and my personal view is that A lot of cities can build sort of large monuments or facilities, which requires a significant investment. There's got to be a purpose to it. There's got to be— if you're doing something like that, there has to be an ongoing use. You don't just build something for the sake of having it. That's a start. Our model for the Olympics is obviously trying to limit the amount of things that we're building for the Olympics and build them for the community. So they have to be of ongoing use. So if there's something that we need as a community that we can build that's iconic, then we should look at ensuring it's iconic. But I think if you look at the reasons you visit places, yes, you go to the major landmarks and you get the photos and you post them on Instagram or whatever. But what you're really looking for is the experience.

Rachel Crowley:Yeah.

Adrian Schrinner:And so what's just as important is the food that you eat, the places that you go, the people that you interact with. They're what give you a true experience of a city. And so often people now are sort of moving away from those iconic tourist locations. Once they've got the photo, they want to go and experience what the city and the region really is. And that's where we really shine because there's so much to showcase. Other than one iconic, you know, piece of infrastructure. It's about the experience of being here. There was some interesting research released by the University of Queensland saying that one of the favourite things for people visiting Brisbane to do now is to jump on an e-scooter and to start exploring up and down the river and the different precincts of the city.

Steven Miles MP:Mm.

Adrian Schrinner:It's become really popular with tourists, and that's about the experience. So Their experience is the iconic Brisbane River and what the things there are to do along the river and all the different precincts. So yeah, there's different ways of looking at it. I'm not against having some kind of icon, but it's got to have an ongoing use and a purpose.

Rachel Crowley:I think that's a really good point. Most of the things that are iconic weren't built for that purpose. They were built for another reason.

Adrian Schrinner:Yes, exactly.

Rachel Crowley:The Parthenon was not an Instagram moment.

Adrian Schrinner:That is exactly right.

Rachel Crowley:The Eiffel Tower might have been. Any thoughts from you, Deputy Premier?

Steven Miles MP:I'd like to echo the comments about moving around the precincts, and that's a real focus of our planning work, is how we can better connect the walkability and active transport connections between our wonderful precincts. I still really think that what will go off on Instagram will be those natural assets. It'll be the golden Sunshine Coast. It'll be Moreton Island. It'll be the reef.

Adrian Schrinner:Koalas.

Steven Miles MP:It'll be koalas. I took the IOC on the delegation to the Sunshine Coast. And I won't tell the whole story. They were really cranky with us about something. And I was like, emergency. We have to get a koala. We pulled into Australia Zoo and they strapped a koala to this Frenchman and his heart melted and now we're best friends again. So I think, you know, we take that stuff for granted, but, you know, imagine having a mini Australia Zoo type experience at the athletes' village or on the concourse of the Gabba, you know, those wildlife experiences I've got a similar story to that.

Adrian Schrinner:When the IOC was visiting, they were visiting all the potential Olympic venues, and obviously shooting is an Olympic sport. So they're at the Belmont Rifle Range investigating the range, and what they were most impressed about were the kangaroos hopping across the range. And no kangaroos were harmed at all. Not a target. So yeah, the wildlife is Is a key part of it.

Rachel Crowley:Yeah, it absolutely is. And on that fluffy note, which is lovely, fluffy animals, I will end it because we are only 37 seconds out and I know you've both got a very busy afternoon. So thank you very much. Thank you, Deputy Premier. Thank you, Lord Mayor. Really appreciate it.

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